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October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Thursday, October 1, 2009, 07:15 AM
 
ALLONS!!!
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Thursday, October 1, 2009, 08:28 AM
 
WHAT TO DO:
  1. Go to http://skype.com to download and install the latest version of Skype onto your computer.
  2. Run the application and sign in to Skype via your Skype account name or set one up from the menu within the Skype application (NOT on the website) using Account> Create account….

    Your browser may not support display of this image.

    If using a shared computer, then don’t sign in to Skype on start-up. You can also sign in as another user anyway at any time. My regular Skype name is ken.eustace but you may want to be anonymous and use an alias – recommended for students if using Skype with students under 18, as Skype “spammers” exist and search online to make contact.

  1. Check that the audio and video hardware is configured properly for input and output. You may have to test it in a real Skype call later in step 7.
  2. Set up your profile within the Skype application- privacy and protection are vital to consider when setting up your account details, but your e-mail address is needed for password recovery only. It is good if you can add a photo to your profile and make up a list of contacts. Your profile can be unique to Skype or the same persistent profile in all your online profiles.
  3. Do a practice call with another contact the do a practice conference with a colleague or family member. The host will start the conference call and all contacts to the conference list.
  4. Add all others to be involved to your list of contacts – add mine to your list “ken.eustace”. The host will have to add all contacts to their list before starting a conference call (Call> Start Conference…)
  5. When holding a conference call (limited to 24 members plus host) mute your microphone until you request the microphone from the host via Skype. This is the control aspect of online meeting protocols such as turn taking, other wise we talk over the top of each other, so a conference call is more like a talk back radio or school of the air via radio.
  6. OPTION: Various add-ons for Skype exist as trial or demo versions for MacOS or Windows versions. You can download and install a demo version for this evaluation. Here is a list to try:
    1. Pamela for Skype – 30 day trial from http://www.pamela.biz/download/
    2. PrettyMay – 15 day trial form http://prettymay.net
    3. Powergramo – 7 day trial from http://www.powergramo.com/
    4. Call recorder (MacOS) – 7 days from http://www.ecamm.com/mac/callrecorder/
    5. SkypeCap - shareware from
      1. For Windows form http://www.xentrik.net/software/skypecap.html
      2. For MacOS from http://www.xentrik.net/software/publisher/skypecap.html
    6. MX Skype Recorder – freeware from http://www.skyperec.com/download.htm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Thursday, October 1, 2009, 04:26 PM
 
on station at 1:30 PM PDT

Will new conference tomorrow from 11-1 PDT.
Please have a Skype account and be a contact for 540 face-to-face group.

Susie's blogs are great.

MORE
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Monday, October 12, 2009, 05:46 AM
 
Just discharged from hospital that moment

By the time I got to 540 everyone had left--sorry about that.


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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Monday, October 12, 2009, 05:46 AM
 
Just discharged from hospital that moment

By the time I got to 540 everyone had left--sorry about that.


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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 08:47 AM
 
Malcolm,

Welcome back! We were very worried!

Are we having that conference call, then? Do you have a date and time?

Warm wishes from the east coast -- where we actually had out first snow this morning.

D


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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:26 AM
 
Snow--ugh!!!

Different folk, at different ages, and in different places, respond differently.

We cannot beat the seasonal reference, but we have begun 3 days of rain--earlier and heavier than usual. Being indoors and "having" to use the internet are a mix of sorts. We will have to stay in closer touch, more of the time, until a week from now, when Ken goes back to Paradise.

I had a good, cough-free night, which was the best preparation for me, for our time together. I anticipate the week with the conviction the rest of the week will go as well as this first few minutes..

So, to make a short story long, "The meeting will come to order(!!!)*".

And now, hearing no objections, let us adjourn until 11:00 AM PDT on Skype with Phillip in Hong Kong.

[My guess is we have this mixed up--it is almost midnight there--doubt if Phillip wants to be up. ]

Hearing no objections, the meeting is adjourned until ? will get back. (!!!)*

The Best.

--Malcolm

*That is three bangs of the gavel.
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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:43 PM
 
Very glad you're feeling better. My Skype is up. Who will originate the Skype call? Should I watch for it?

Since you said 11:00am PDT, that's 2:00pm here in Vermont, so I'll go outside and do some work until then.

D


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Re: October 2009
by Susan Allen - Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:06 AM
 

Will be back and able to meet with Ken and Malcolm in October.  New video clips of improvs in Russia are up at

http://susanallenharpist.blogspot.com

Never thought I would actively support the objectification of women, but am staying in a hotel in Novosibirsk, Siberia with a full-on strip club downstairs.  Perhaps this trip will cure me of my wanderlust?

Ken and friends
Re: October 2009
by Ken Eustace - Friday, October 9, 2009, 08:08 AM
 
ALLONS mes amis!

I will be in Los Angeles next week for 6 days, so get your Skype accounts active and online.

There is nothing lax about LAX, from what I hear! big grin

Malcolm has the main agenda and I have mine as well to close off projects that have been pending for a while and to start-up new ventures via Hong Kong and elsewhere. It would be great to be in touch.

With my son an engineer at QANTAS, I was able to finalize my itinerary today as below minus the Wagga Wagga leg :

ITINERARY AND TRAVEL DETAILS:

QANTAS AIRWAYS

QF11 DEPARTS 14OCT09 SYDNEY 1405

ARRIVE

14OCT09 LOS ANGELES 0945 ARRIVES AT: TERMINAL B

LEAVING LA

QF12 DEPARTS FROM: TERMINAL B 19OCT09 LOS ANGELES 2230

ARRIVE

21OCT09 SYDNEY 0715 ARRIVES AT: TERMINAL 1


Looking forward to the trip - never been to LA before!

-Ken

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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Monday, October 12, 2009, 06:26 AM
 
Only changes--
AR SFO 9ish PDT Wednesday October 14
LV SFO ??? PDT Monday October 19

Susie arrives Friday--leaves Sunday
Ted hopes to be up Saturday NIGHT
Michael (and Van) plan to arrive midweek
Phillip and Malcolm start formal ("constitutional") deliberations 11-1 PDT
tomorrow,Tuesday. We were going to Skype--maybe chat at the same time?

Exciting--down the slide!!1

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Monday, October 12, 2009, 06:28 AM
 
a bit too cryptic--Ken arrives San Francisco
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:41 AM
 
Will remain up until next week.
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 02:45 PM
 
standing by for Philip at 11:45 AM PDT Wednesday October 13, 2009
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Re: October 2009
by scott s - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 02:49 PM
 
standing by on MOO admin chat at the same time
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Re: October 2009
by scott s - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 03:15 PM
 
sorry i missed you all.
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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 06:00 PM
 
I thought we were meeting on Skype? No? That was the info that the top of this forum.

I came in at 2, 2:30, 3:30, 4:30 and now (6:00) and found nobody there on Skype -- neither Ken nor Malcolm has added me to their contact list yet -- but didn't check here!

Scott, what's your Skype name? There are many with your namesake on Skype.

Onward ... must make dinner. Dug and dumped 21 loads of horse manure (about 2 tons) on the garden and now very hungry & tired!

D



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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 12:11 AM
 
we were all wandering about the Pacific(hope Qantas pilot doing better)
Ken assures he is en route--meet at 10:15 AM PDT Wednesday October 14 SFO
will be at 30 Commonwealth rest of week.

Apologize for mix up

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Susan Allen - Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 12:42 AM
 

Tried to call you, Malcolm, at least three times tonight - to no avail.  I am booked with teaching until I leave for your quadrant on Friday night.  Please let me know what I can do until then?

Susie

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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 10:37 AM
 
At 7:22 AM PDT today, Wednesday October 14, 2009 Qantas reports:

FLIGHT 73 FROM SYDNEY TO ARRIVE AT 10:10 AM PDT (!!!) as "the meeting will come to order". Marcella and I are off shortly to meet Ken. Let the dance begin. !!!

In addition to Ken and myself, Scott and Dennis were about yesterday afternoon, Michael and Van are hereabouts and Mary, Liz, Terry and Josie are nearby and Ted comes up Saturday.

Will keep you posted.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Ken Eustace - Friday, October 16, 2009, 01:12 AM
 
A woven agenda

The first day has been full here with Malcolm.
We both had agendas while malcolm had a respiratory bug but thankfully seems brighter as time goes on. To all concerned, he seems on the mend and credits my presence as the tonic.

The 2 bottles of CSU Wagga Wagga red wine made it into SF fine, so complements were lubricated.

I had not been here since Scott and Marcella's cousin Bob was here to drink the last batch of wine I brought from my university. At that focus group meeting in 1999 the adjacent schools model was developed before the current border studies associates model took over.

So much for yesterdays!

Action so far on building our tomorrows

Malcolm asked me to read and work on the e-book while Ted and Susie rang in and it was refreshing to hear their voices and to make contact with Bebo White from SLAC at Stanford. Some meetings are on the horizon.

Moving forward

While Malcolm took a break to rest, I looked at some issues related to adult learning design and use of Web technology. In plans for her Keynote address at ICT2010 in Singapore, Prof. Allison Rossett has a comment that rang loudly in my ear:

"Learning professionals cannot afford to offer programs that go ignored, avoided and unheralded. But despite technology that allows us to reach nearby and far flung audiences quickly and easily, with dazzling graphics and rich scenarios, people tune out and drop out in large numbers. Can we do much, much better?"

So the problems we have on our small scale, expand at larger institutions.

Yes we can!

In my next post I will put forward some points on this for discussion.

If things goes off the rails, then my next retreat may be on Alcatraz.

Regards,
Ken



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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Saturday, October 17, 2009, 11:15 PM
 
Finally (Susie) here with Malcolm and Ken in San Francisco. It is wonderful to meet Ken after so many years of communicating online. Our agenda for the day is to edit the E-book, Edit the Website, and clinch week-by-week heuristic, improvised approach. We have left messages for Michael, and Ted is ill and will not be able to join us in person. More later as we progress!
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Saturday, October 17, 2009, 11:35 PM
 
Great day.

Susie off to SFO motel.

Ken off to Cup and Cake--adjacent coffee house.

His birthday is today and tomorrow, depending on where you are.

55--becomes Encore, like Malcolm, in 5 years.

Reminded of Amundson's last diary entry before freezing to death at South Pole.
"It would do your hearts good to hear our cheery songs and laughter".

--The Best

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Sunday, October 18, 2009, 07:51 AM
 
Hi all,

Will we be getting together online? I'm on my fourth day of refitting the barn, resetting walls, pouring footings, etc., so won't be near the computer again except to pick up messages every hour or so.

So if we have a time scheduled, I will be there. Skype or Admin Chat? I would prefer Skype since we can use webcams and I can at last see some of you!

(FYI: This site kicks out announcements every two hours on the half-hour. So an email might work better for timing. It's 7:50am EDT right now.)

Excited to see/hear/read everybody at once!

Dennis

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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Sunday, October 18, 2009, 09:02 AM
 
5:58 PDT

Up on Skype--adding you as contact--will stay in contact until 11 AM EDT when Susie leaves. She will be back online both this afternoon and tomorrow morning.

It has been a wonderful weekend--wonderful people.

So good you are nearby.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:40 AM
 
Oh, so sorry -- you said everyone would get together 8am PDT. I was out pouring concrete and came in just past 11am EDT and didn't see anyone on Skype. :(

I'll check Google & Admin chat now just in case...

...no, nobody anywhere.

I'll look again later, just in case.

D


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Re: October 2009
by Susan Allen - Monday, October 19, 2009, 01:26 AM
 
Sorry I cannot be on Monday at 10:15 AM as promised; work calls.....hope all goes well and will be available here and on email.  Best wishes to everyone!
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Monday, October 19, 2009, 01:45 PM
 
We had a Skype conference with Dennis in Vermont, Susie in Sth California and Ken and me here. We discussed issues around fixing the Web site and an edit/publish/participate process of re-kindled weekly engagement as per Midnight UMT or GMT Fridays.

Note some changes such as the blog entry menu now up front.
Personal blogs as learning record can be seen via profile by clicking on your own login name. We can read each others blogs from a list of participants and keep the public discussion going via this usual forum.

Tried Skype session again today before Ken leaves for Australia tonight.

Things are taking shape.

-MM and Ken
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 12:05 AM
 
Best news yet.

Aussie parents, teachers and students in Northern Hemisphere are all leaving to go home for the start of the Summer Session next Monday in Australia.

So, Ken, who is on a parent standby, since his son works for Qantas, missed tonight's plane and cannot leave until Friday. 6 days are turning into 10 days.

For me, Malcolm, this is very good news. We can work on polishing the site and the book and we can emulate a week together face-to-face, rather than wondering what the other is experiencing. The more each of us can be part of this process, the better off we will be.

It is an exciting moment, as the 41st year gets well under way.

Keep the faith and keep in touch.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 11:01 PM
 
Ken and Seanchan had a fine day.

Great Ken stayed over.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:31 AM
 
On duty at 7:30 AM PDT
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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by scott s - Friday, October 23, 2009, 09:05 AM
 

<I thought this captured some desirable essential attributes of idealized colleagues and associates that may be factored into the system reinvention.>

Social Media Specialist - Global

The Social Media Specialist is responsible for overseeing and contributing recurring content to holistically support our constituents, promoting Border Studies Associates’ brand, and developing a substantive, responsive presence in the social media sphere. The ideal candidate will have a deep knowledge of social media tools and technologies, exceptional judgment, and a fanatical passion for blogging, micro-blogging and community participation leadership. As an Associate of the Border Studies network, the Social Media Specialist will develop dynamic relationships with our constituents, aligning unselfish service of their needs, wants and desires, with our organizational objectives.

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES

1. Be the eyes and ears of our brand as if your own reputation depended on it.

2. Build and maintain our content distribution network by way of social media channels.

3. Manage regularly and timely participation in conversations that surround our content and brand, answer comments, be a mediator and schedule, coordinate and monitor staff participation.

4. Identify threats and opportunities in user generated content surrounding our brand, report to appropriate parties.

5. Create content for feeds and snippets in various social media sites.

6. Schedule and organize multiple departments and staff to generate content on a daily, weekly, monthly basis.

7. Conduct keyword research including cataloging and indexing target keyword phrases.

8. Participate in social media, as yourself and white hat avatars, on our behalf.

9. Optimize tags, on our feeds, sharing sites like YouTube/Flickr and search engines through creative & keyword optimization.

10. Tag and title content, with an understanding of how the words chosen impact natural search traffic and rankings via recurrent optimized content

11. Manage and track link building campaigns, coordinated with all facets of Border Studies Associates’ web presence.

12. Create and update daily, weekly and monthly reports

13. Design, coordinate and implement short-term and long-term social media campaigns.

14. Analyze campaigns and translate anecdotal or qualitative data into recommendations and plans for revising current and social media campaigns.

QUALIFICATIONS AND CORE COMPETENCIES

1. Deep commitment to Border Studies’ and Adjacent Education core values and ability to model those values in relationships with colleagues and partners

2. Familiarity with Border Studies and Adjacent Education structures, and participant and contributor motivations and sensitivities

3. Life experience and evidence of demonstrated abilities

4. Excels at research, possesses excellent writing skills and the ability to crank editorial and technical writing output without brooding

5. Experience, training, or intentional interest in advertising, PR, online marketing or similar field

6. Proficiency in the use of Microsoft Office products

7. Dedicated to blogging and use of Facebook

8. Demonstrated creativity and documented immersion in social media

9. Experience sourcing and managing content development and publishing

10. Understanding of both the creative and analytical side of marketing

11. Ability to identify threats and opportunities in user generated content

12. Understanding of social media universe including YouTube, StumbleUpon, Delicious, Digg, Reddit, Flickr, Forums, Twitter, Wikis, blogs, etc. Possesses functional knowledge or some experience with HTML/CSS

13. Knowledge of search engine optimization

14. Excellent verbal and written communication skills

15. Ability to work individually on a project or in a team environment

16. Eager to meet and exceed objectives and take on more responsibility

17. Outstanding organizational skills and the ability to handle multiple projects simultaneously while meeting deadlines

18. Ability to communicate results and work in a fast paced environment

SUPERVISOR: Network senior guides

INTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS: Frequent contact, collaboration and works closely with all units and participants throughout the Border Studies communities.

EXTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS: Daily interaction with global constituency throughout the social media sphere.

Ken and friends
Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Ken Eustace - Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:57 AM
 
Hi Scott,

Marvellous contribution and Malcolm asked me to speak for him as well.
So much of what is said in that job description should be in the Border Studies primer.

We are archiving old files and streamlining the Borderstudies site.

Do we have other e-mail addresses like hr@borderstudiesassociates.net as placeholders we can use in the primer?

Meeting with Ted tomorrow at 4pm PDT.

Had a great Skype conference yesterday and Seanchan demo of TokBox.

-Ken


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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Thursday, October 22, 2009, 08:14 AM
 
I can set up email addresses for anyone who wants them.

Dennis


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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Ken Eustace - Thursday, October 22, 2009, 01:47 PM
 
Hi Dennis,

We could start with something like Scott's hr address in his succinct position statement for marketing and recruitment.
Is that hr@borderstudiesassociates.org on Scott's system or is it just a placeholder for another address set up by Dennis at borderstudiesassociates.net?

-Ken
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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Ken Eustace - Thursday, October 22, 2009, 03:11 PM
 
Documents archives into a single file from the links on front page is attached.

How do we reove the "Skip to main conent link?

-Ken
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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Thursday, October 22, 2009, 05:14 PM
 
"Skip to main content" is intended for speech readers and other accessibility tools. It avoids the blind visitor having to listen to all the navigation links every time.

Dennis

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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Thursday, October 22, 2009, 05:13 PM
 
Ken,

Just in from more barn work.

You can have a 'real' address (accessible via webmail or SMTP) or an alias address that feeds to an external address that you regularly use.

D


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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Malcolm McAfee - Friday, October 23, 2009, 08:58 AM
 
On duty at 5:46 AM PDT

Amazing ten days.

Here is the morning's schedule, so that you can envisage Ken's "Last (First) Day":

8:40 MDeC and MMcA off for MMcA MD appointment--last health episode over!!! Each day is a wonderful gift. Thanks for your kind thoughts over these trying times. Dr. Eustace substantially helped with "cure"!!!

10 ish MDeC/MMcA back

11 NYT Weekly summary on MSNBC at 540 Clement

12:30 Lunch at San Francisco Village

1:45 Off to Airport

The three big agenda goals of the 10 days are met:

1) Please comment on initial revisions of site
2) Please comment on initial revisions of e-book
3) Please comment on initial sharpening of weekly operation

We all deserve at big "hurrah" and thank you to each other.

Happy Halloween.

--Malcolm


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Re: October 2009 - Social Media
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Friday, October 23, 2009, 09:04 AM
 
I've checked and see that borderstudiesassociates.org is apparently not registered. It may be part of an old domain?

Also, please note that borderstudiesassociates.net is scheduled to expire on February 1. It is still owned by Brian McSpadden. Who knows Brian? Can we initiate that transfer before it is expired? Should I try and see what happens?

Whois info for borderstudiesassociates.net:

Registrant:
Remote-Learner.net
PO Box 717
Fishersville, Virginia 22939
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: BORDERSTUDIESASSOCIATES.NET
Created on: 01-Feb-08
Expires on: 01-Feb-10
Last Updated on: 05-May-09

Administrative Contact:
McSpadden, Brian brian@remote-learner.net
Remote-Learner.net
PO Box 717
Fishersville, Virginia 22939
United States
+1.5409437831 Fax -- +1.9152009145

Technical Contact:
Ross, Mark mark@remote-learner.net
Remote-Learner.net
PO Box 717
Fishersvile, Virginia 22939
United States
+1.5409437831 Fax -- +1.9152009145

Domain servers in listed order:
NS7.NS0.COM
NS2.QUICKSERVE.COM

(The domain servers are ours.)

Thanks!
Dennis




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Re: October 2009
by Ken Eustace - Friday, October 23, 2009, 12:44 PM
 
Hi all,

Latest draft of former junemanuscripts2 is attached as the eBook primer for BirderStudies.

It still needs a "how to" aboot the website and the edit/publish/partiicpate cycle.

It could also use the social media piece by Scott as well as many of our examples of "best practice".

Soon we can convert to PDF and put up on site as both primer and operations manuel.

Your input would be valued.

I had a fabulaous 10 days with Malcolm, Marcella, family friends and of course, associates. Wonderful hosts and great to see Malcolm get back his bravado.

-Ken
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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Friday, October 23, 2009, 02:46 PM
 
I would be happy to proofread and style-check and, if it is to be published, design the book.

Dennis



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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Friday, October 23, 2009, 03:43 PM
 
LAST HOUR

12:39 PM PDT

Ken leaves for airport in an hour.

We will do some editing of e-book. Might leave this version as is and then concentrate on first 2010 version. Ken suggests we use Google Docs as group edit system.

Dennis--your offer is to the point.

Peace.

--Ken and Malcolm




















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Re: October 2009
by Susan Allen - Saturday, October 24, 2009, 12:58 AM
 

Hi, everyone, remember me?  Last on October 19th after traveling to SF to meet with Malcolm and Ken for 2.5 days at great personal expense (and more),  but according to recent chats, I am dead.  I had wanted to do editing to the e-book during that visit but was foiled by social graces with unexpected visitations, etc.

Still willing to edit, etc. but disdain marginalization...egad, folks!

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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Saturday, October 24, 2009, 08:20 AM
 
Hi Susie,

I didn't have an opportunity either -- but then Malcolm put the ebook on Google Docs, and sent out a general email with the link. Did it arrive?

The Google Docs editing process looks just like plain old word processor editing -- I'm not a big fan of working 'in the cloud' (considering what happened to T-Mobile/Sidekick users), but it does function and make it possible for all of us to collaborate.

Dennis

PS: I'm heading out for most of the day; if you don't find Malcolm's email, I'll send you the link when I get back.




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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Saturday, October 24, 2009, 04:03 PM
 
Dennis and Susie--

Appreciate Dennis' figuring out how to get Susie into the edit space. We did that in the 10 minutes before Ken went to the airport. Since Susie's access blocked the whole transaction, we arbitrarily postponed getting her in until today.

(will try to be in touch)

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Saturday, October 24, 2009, 03:59 PM
 
Susie--

All Ken and I did at the last minute was take out a portion of material dealing with a secular and religious viewpoint.

We proposed letting this version of the e-book continue to rest in peace and concentrate on the first 2010 version.

We proposed using Google Docs. The current version is there but we had a problem getting you into the shared editing space. Will work at that momentarily.

You are never at the margin of my dreams.

MORE very soon. Your participation last weekend was essential.

The Best.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Saturday, October 24, 2009, 11:59 PM
 
Phone message from Ken--

He is home in Wagga Wagga and has gone to bed.

His bags are a day behind him.

What a ten days--keep brimming with appreciation to all of you.

MORE after I go to bed and get up!!!

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Susan Allen - Sunday, October 25, 2009, 05:01 AM
 

Gee I don't know what to say - just know I went through a lot to get up to SF and back last weekend and sacrificed a lot of teaching, money, sleep and personal peace in the meanwhile and now ?

I don't know how to access any sites - I don't know how to post edits - I don't know what to do and I feel like my participation is totally in the margins.  This is a terrible state of affairs for me...for some reason Border Studies always looks like this and it is of great distress to me. 

I don't know what is going on?  I remember Karen said she had this same experience and I am trying, trying, trying to connect here and am being marginalized like crazy.  I wanted to work on the doc last weekend but our time was wasted with visits and chats and BS - and that's what I spent my money on.

So now apparently the doc has been worked on by Ken and Malcolm over the week yet we can't see it.  AND more importantly, I cannot participate.  This to me is egregious!  I was there to participate, my presence was de-emphasized, nothing happened and now Malcolm and Ken have done lots of work on the ms....

So I cannot help I cannot participate, I cannot contribute.  OK fine.  Does anyone understand how much that hurts me?  This is a mess!

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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Monday, October 26, 2009, 12:07 AM
 
Susie--

I wish we were at peace at the end of the weekend.

"So I cannot help I cannot participate, I cannot contribute. OK fine. Does anyone understand how much that hurts me? This is a mess!"

Trust you got my personal e-mail.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Monday, October 26, 2009, 08:08 AM
 
on duty at 5:00 AM PDT
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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Monday, October 26, 2009, 08:40 AM
 
Susie,

Sent you an external email -- CalArts is blocking access to Google Docs from your regular address. If you have a Google address, maybe CalArts will let that through.

D


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Re: October 2009
by Susan Allen - Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 03:43 AM
 

HI Malcolm has tried to contact me but I called him and it just turned into voice mail - not ok

I am trying and trying...

this just serves to hurt me more..

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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:34 AM
 
Susie--

As you know, I tried to call you continually from 5 on yesterday.
You will recall we were baby sitting for the first time.

Would you consider handling this as one-on-one e-mail rather than here and would you consider waiting until we can talk directly?

Got you a copy of Gail Collins book--sending it down today. You are absolutely right about the marginalization problem and it should be a major theme of our work together. My experience is that aging produces many of the same dynamics as gender. Then I begin to wonder whether our whole stance in relation to several other groups could stand an exciting change of heart--pardon the expression.

I hope you will stop hurting.

The Best.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:02 PM
 
To sleep, to dream--aye there is the rub.

Good day.

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:46 AM
 
UP at 8:00 AM PDT

WE CHANGE OUR CLOCKS TOMORROW NIGHT--SATURDAY "FALL BAC

--Malcolm
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:46 AM
 
On duty at 7:30 AM PDT Saturday

Seanchan would like to see the Primer without religious references. It was that way until quite recently. I would like to see that, too. Will work on a #5 that is secularized.

I think the excursion into making the system equate the arts and religion may have been some sort of wrap up of a quest of mine. If that is of no particular value to others or to prospective participants, it should go out.

You will be the first to know.

Eager to make Google Docs a better place for sharing. It has turned out to have different hassles for different folk. Will work at it. If you have suggestions, please pitch in.

Trust the weekend looks good--trick or treat!!!

--Malcolm


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Re: October 2009
by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz - Saturday, October 31, 2009, 03:24 PM
 
Just back.

A new doc has been posted instead of revising the existing one. My edits are now all lost.

The point of collaborative editing is to avoid this. Please, when we keep to a single collaboratively edited document, then no one's time is wasted.

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: October 2009
by Susan Allen - Sunday, November 1, 2009, 03:28 AM
 

Hi well I still have not been able to log in, edit, or do a damned thing on here.  It is terribly frustrating, alienating and not my idea of a good time.  I don't know how to proceed - last I heard Malcolm asked me for a non-CalArts email address - I provided that and nothing happened. 

I am very, very tired of not being able to communicate and very, very tired of being alienated and marginalized from this entire operation....so tired, in fact, that I am considering retiring from this 'learning' group on a permanent basis, as what I am 'learning' is that I am not a part of it....no matter how hard I try.

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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Sunday, November 1, 2009, 11:23 AM
 
Susie--

Would you call me on our land line and we can fix this.

415 751 5305
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Re: October 2009
by Malcolm McAfee - Sunday, November 1, 2009, 01:15 PM
 
Dennis--

Of course, you are right.

Lets just concentrate on #2.

The only reason I created #6 was so Seanchan and I could see what a version without religious references looked like. I would think that sort of optional approach would fit into the tradition of groupware.

That approach suggests checking in before making changes. Do you see any merit in that approach? I would think there could be more talk around the issues as we act.

Much appreciate your effort.

Did you look at A Woven Agenda for last week? It may have sequencing problems because it is from the 8 pages of a print out used here for promotion and for our Friday Lunch. I can work on that except a priority for me is getting on with NEXT week's Woven Agenda.

I will be up a good deal until 5 EST time. Set up for Skype and TokBox.

Not so incidentally, did you and Ken agree on an e-mail connected to the web site. If so, who would get it and what would they do with it? I think we are at the verge of the call center/help desk issue. Not a pretty place!

You are the greatest to plug away at all this stuff.

--Malcolm

Switching to November